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"We think it's well worth having a dip. Whether we're successful or not, well the money will decide that. We'll certainly be trying."

The Gr.1 Australian Derby (2400m) is firmly in the crosshairs of Australian syndicator OTI Racing with their kiwi pair Full Of Sincerity and Mark Twain.

Andrew Forsman has trained two previous victors of the Gr.1 New Zealand Derby (2400m) in partnership with mentor Murray Baker, and he is hoping he can claim one in his own right at Te Rapa this weekend.

Murray Baker and Andrew Forsman's contingent for this year's Gr.1 Vodafone New Zealand Derby at Ellerslie will become clearer after Sunday.